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CLARK Priscilla Marylebone 1a 905
MOORE JAMES Marylebone 1a 905I can't find Priscilla in any of these censuses (1871, 1881, 1891)
1891 census of England Is this him? He is shown as married but his wife is not enumerated with him.
Name Age in 1891 Birthplace Relationship to head-of-house Civil parish County
Moore, James 50 Paddington, London Head St Marylebone London
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CLARK Priscilla Marylebone 1a 905
MOORE JAMES Marylebone 1a 905Ancestry.com (see original census page)
Name Age in 1901 Birthplace Relationship Civil Parish County/Island
Thomas Ings 64 Paddington, London, England Head Paddington London
Martha Ings 54 Paddington, London, England Wife Paddington London
Manon Ings 19 Marylebone, London, England Daughter Paddington London
Ada E Ings 13 Paddington, London, England Daughter Paddington London
Priscilla Moor 69 Paddington, London, England Step Sister Paddington London
[Ancestry.com's transcription said Brother-in-law, but the census page says step sister.]
[According to this, Priscilla was born about 1832.]Deaths
Name Year Quarter District County Volume Page
Moore, Priscilla 1902 September Paddington London 1a 1
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Name: Moore, Priscilla Record Type: Deaths Age at death: 71
Quarter: September Year: 1902 District: Paddington County: London Volume: 1a Page: 1
[So she would be born about 1831]This might be her but if so the age is wrong:
1861 England Census - Living at 33 Earl St E.
Name Estimated Birth Year Birthplace Relationship Civil Parish County/Island
Frederick Clark abt 1822 Granborough, Buckinghamshire, England Head St Marylebone Middlesex
Henry Clark abt 1859 Buckinghamshire, England Son St Marylebone Middlesex
Priscilla Clark abt 1837 Buckinghamshire, England Wife St Marylebone Middlesex
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1861 England Census Record Name: Priscilla Clark Age: 24 Estimated birth year: abt 1837
Relation: Wife Gender: Female Where born: Buckinghamshire, England
Civil parish: St Marylebone Ecclesiatical parish: St Matthew County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England Source information: RG9/84 Registration district: Marylebone
Sub-registration district: Christchurch ED, institution, or vessel: 19 Folio: 55
Page: 39 Household schedule number: 242 GSU Number: 542570In the 1881 census I can't find her as Priscilla Clark nor Priscilla Moore.
Probably not her, but the only Priscilla listed in 1881 as born in Paddington in 1831 (none were shown as born in Paddington in 1832)
1881 British Census
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
Priscilla CURRIE Head W Female 50 Paddington
Sarah CURRIE Daur U Female 24 Queensland New South Wales
Frederick CURRIE Son Male 18 Sidney New South Wales Plumber
Ada CURRIE Daur Female 16 Sidney New South Wales
Rose CURRIE Daur Female 13 Paddington
Eliza CURRIE Daur Female 9 Paddington Scholar
Annie LEWIS Visitor Female 49 Wales Farmers Daughter
F. T. L. TYTLER Lodger U Male 32 India Photographer
Phelia CORKE Boarder U Female 30 Cowes, Isle of Wight, Hampshire, England Annuitant
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Source Information: Dwelling 36 Northumberland Place
Census Place London, Middlesex, England Family History Library Film 1341003
Public Records Office Reference RG11 Piece / Folio 0013 / 23 Page Number 40
Her name is also given as Mary Stafford or Stratford.
She went to Africa and left her brother Thomas some money but he died before he received it.A search on Free BMD found no Mary Clark married to a Stafford in 1850-1890 a search for Mary Clark married to a Stratford in 1850-1890 timed out.
This might be her
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Births Dec 1837 Ing Maria Eliza Hackney 3 93
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BRADFORD Robert Jude Lymington 2b 1369
Hill Arthur James Lymington 2b 1369
INGS Frances Mary Lymington 2b 1369
Rooke Alice Elizabeth Lymington 2b 1369Mary Ing Statford?
1871 England Census Record Name: Mary Ann Stratford Age: 31
Estimated birth year: abt 1840 Relation: Wife
Where born: Paddington, Middlesex, England
Civil Parish or Township: Cirencester Town: Cirencester
County/Island: Gloucestershire Country: England
Source information: RG10/2646
Registration district: Cirencester
Sub-registration district: Cirencester
ED, institution, or vessel: 4 Folio: 101
Page: 17 Household schedule number: 77 GSU Number: 835326
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I don't know that she had a son.
1871 England Census
Name Estimated Birth Year Birthplace Relationship Civil Parish or Township County/Island
John Stratford abt 1842 Cirencester, Gloucestershire, England Head Cirencester Gloucestershire [Butler (domestic servant)]
Mary Ann Stratford abt 1840 Paddington, Middlesex, England Wife Cirencester Gloucestershire
Frederick Stratford abt 1870 Cirencester, Gloucestershire, England Son Cirencester Gloucestershire
James Smith abt 1855 Ledbury, Gloucestershire, England Boarder Cirencester Gloucestershire [Telegraphist]
The following Mary Stratfords and Mary Staffords were enumerated in London in 1881. Of course she might have gone to Africa before then.Dwelling: 35 Nelson St
Census Place: St Luke, London, Middlesex, England
Source: FHL Film 1341078 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 0362 Folio 24 Page 42
Marr Age Sex Birthplace
Votternie WILLIAMS M 36 M Manchester
Rel: Head
Occ: Silk Finisher
Annie WILLIAMS M 32 F Brompton, Middlesex, England
Rel: Wife
Rose WILLIAMS U 6 F Clerkenwell, Middlesex, England
Rel: Dau
Occ: Scholar
Walter WILLIAMS U 6 M Clerkenwell, Middlesex, England
Rel: Son
Occ: Scholar
William WILLIAMS U 4 M Clerkenwell, Middlesex, England
Rel: Son
Occ: Scholar
Mary STAFFORD W 50 F Clerkenwell, Middlesex, England
Rel: LodgerDwelling: 12 Queen St
Census Place: St Marylebone, London, Middlesex, England
Source: FHL Film 1341033 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 0148 Folio 6 Page 5
Marr Age Sex Birthplace
Charles PURSER M 63 M Cottisbrooke, Northampton, England
Rel: Head
Occ: Tailor (Master)
Elizabeth PURSER M 60 F Lutterworth, Leicester, England
Rel: Wife
Eliza Ann PURSER U 32 F Marylebone, Middlesex, England
Rel: Daur
Occ: Bookkeeper (Clk) ((Drapers))
Elizabeth JARGNET W 72 F Bermondsey, Surrey, England
Rel: Lodger
Occ: Charwoman
Ann CARTER W 80 F Ashill, Somerset, England
Rel: Lodger
Occ: Annuitant
Phillis WALKER W 65 F Ashill, Somerset, England
Rel: Sister
Occ: Annuitant
Elizabeth BYENS U 33 F Ireland
Rel: Lodger
Occ: Annuitant
Mary Ann STAFFORD W 46 F Salisbury, Wiltshire, England
Rel: Lodger
Occ: Upholstress
Dwelling: 4 Walmer Place
Census Place: St Marylebone, London, Middlesex, England
Source: FHL Film 1341033 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 0150 Folio 61 Page 18
Marr Age Sex Birthplace
Richard STRATFORD M 50 M Leyton, Bedford, England
Rel: Head
Occ: Carman
Mary A. STRATFORD M 52 F Marylebone, Middlesex, England
Rel: Wife
Occ: Charwoman
Mary STRATFORD W 49 F Middlesex, England
Rel: Housekeeper (Head)
Occ: (Dom)
Lidia STRATFORD U 25 F Hackney
Rel: Daur
Occ: Dress MakerMight this be her?
Marriages Mar 1871
Ings Mary Ann Kensington 1a 175
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Marriage Record for Mary ING
Name: ING, Mary
Spouse: William Roberts
Location of Event: Middlesex, ENG
Parish: Hillingdon
Date: 17 Oct. 1786
Notes: Comments: Both Of Uxbridge
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David Ing fargo@isn.net 2001-03-24 15:14:31
Anyone: I'm trying to connect the Ing family tree from Uxbridge. Could Mary be related to George Ing (1809) and Mary Stratford (1805)? Please pass on any information. Many thanksThis is probably not her.
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Bailey John Lichfield 6b 467
EDWARDS William Lichfield 6b 467
GREENE Mary Lichfield 6b 467
ING Mary Lichfield 6b 467Might this be her?
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Mary Ann Inge Female
Christening: 03 JUL 1842 Old Windsor, Berkshire, England
Father: Robert Inge
Mother: Diannah IngeAny connection?
Marriage Record for Mary ING
Name: ING, Mary
Spouse: William Roberts
Location of Event: Middlesex, ENG
Parish: Hillingdon
Date: 17 Oct. 1786
Notes: Comments: Both Of Uxbridge
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David Ing fargo@isn.net 2001-03-24 15:14:31
Anyone: I'm trying to connect the Ing family tree from Uxbridge. Could Mary be related to George Ing (1809) and Mary Stratford (1805)? Please pass on any information. Many thanks
Might this be them?
1841 England Census
Name Estimated Birth Year BirthPlace Civil Parish County/Island
Thomas Forby abt 1771 Brighthelmstone Sussex
Mary Forby abt 1776 Brighthelmstone Sussex
Rachael Forby abt 1827 Sussex, England Brighthelmstone Sussex
Samuel Forby abt 1829 Sussex, England Brighthelmstone SussexAny connection?
1841 England Census
Name Estimated Birth Year BirthPlace Civil Parish County/Island
John Forsberry abt 1816 Surrey, England Lambeth Surrey
Caroline Forsberry abt 1816 Surrey, England Lambeth Surrey
Sarah Forsberry abt 1821 Lambeth Surrey
Arthur Forsberry abt 1836 Lambeth Surrey
Lydia Forsberry abt 1838 Surrey, England Lambeth Surrey
Lucy Forsberry abt 1840 Surrey, England Lambeth SurreyPossible Forsbury connections:
1841 England Census Record
Name: Mary Ann Forsbury Age: 20 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1821 Gender: Female
Where born: Hampshire, England
Civil parish: St Mary Extra Hundred: Mainsbridge (Upper Half)
County/Island: Hampshire Country: England Source information: HO107/402/11
Registration district: South Stoneham Sub-registration district: St Mary Extra
ED, institution, or vessel: 4 Folio: 21 Page: 36 Line number: 10
GSU Number: 288802
Source Citation: Class: HO107; Civil Parish: St Mary Extra; County: Hampshire; Enumeration District: 4; Page: 36; Line: 10; GSU roll: 288802.
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Name Estimated Birth Year BirthPlace Civil Parish County/Island
1841 England Census
Name Estimated Birth Year BirthPlace Civil Parish County/Island
Mary Ann Forsbury abt 1821 Hampshire, England St Mary Extra Hampshire
May Forsbury abt 1786 Hampshire, England St Mary Extra Hampshire
Richard Forsbury abt 1781 Hampshire, England St Mary Extra Hampshire
Charlette Unwin abt 1816 Hampshire, England St Mary Extra Hampshire
Henry Unwin abt 1786 Hampshire, England St Mary Extra Hampshire
John Unwin abt 1821 Hampshire, England St Mary Extra Hampshire
Mary Unwin abt 1791 Hampshire, England St Mary Extra Hampshire
Sarah Unwin abt 1826 Hampshire, England St Mary Extra Hampshire1851 England Census Record
Name: Mary A Forsbury Age: 30 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1821
Relation: Daughter Father's name: Richrd Mother's name: Mary Gender: Female
Where born: Sholing, Hampshire, England
Civil parish: Southampton St Mary Extra Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England Registration district: South Stoneham Sub-registration district: St Mary Extra
ED, institution, or vessel: 1a Household schedule number: 165
Household Members: Name Age
Richrd Forsbury 77
Mary Forsbury 45
Mary A Forsbury 30
Sarah Carter 38
William Carter 15
Catherine Carter 13
Ann Carter 7
Henry Carter 5
Sarah Carter 1
Richard Forsbury 1
Eliza Hunt 16
Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 1670; Folio: 23; Page: 38; GSU roll: 193578.1851 England Census Record
Name: Mary Forsbury Age: 45 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1806
Relation: Wife Spouses's Name: Richrd Gender: Female
Where born: Sholing, Hampshire, England
Civil parish: Southampton St Mary Extra Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England
Registration district: South Stoneham Sub-registration district: St Mary Extra
ED, institution, or vessel: 1a Household schedule number: 165
Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 1670; Folio: 23; Page: 38; GSU roll: 193578.1851 England Census
Name Parent or spouse names Birth Year BirthPlace Relation Civil Parish County/Island
Richrd Forsbury, Mary abt 1774 Sholing, Hampshire, England Head Southampton St Mary Extra Hampshire
Mary Forsbury, Richrd abt 1806 Sholing, Hampshire, England Wife Southampton St Mary Extra Hampshire
Mary A Forsbury, Richrd, Mary abt 1821 Sholing, Hampshire, England Daughter Southampton St Mary Extra Hampshire
Richard Forsbury, Mary A abt 1850 Sholing, Hampshire, England Grandson Southampton St Mary Extra Hampshire
Sarah Carter, Richrd, Mary abt 1813 Sholing, Hampshire, England Daughter Southampton St Mary Extra Hampshire
William Carter, Sarah abt 1836 Sholing, Hampshire, England Grandson Southampton St Mary Extra Hampshire
Catherine Carter, Sarah abt 1838 Sholing, Hampshire, England Granddaughter Southampton St Mary Extra Hampshire
Ann Carter, Sarah abt 1844 Sholing, Hampshire, England Granddaughter Southampton St Mary Extra Hampshire
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Name Parent or spouse names Birth Year BirthPlace Relation Civil Parish County/Island
Henry Carter, Sarah abt 1846 Sholing, Hampshire, England Grandson Southampton St Mary Extra Hampshire
Sarah Carter, Sarah abt 1850 Sholing, Hampshire, England Granddaughter Southampton St Mary Extra Hampshire
Eliza Hunt abt 1835 Itchen Ferry, Hampshire, England Granddaughter Southampton St Mary Extra Hampshire
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1851 England Census Record
Name: Richrd Forsbury Age: 77 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1774
Relation: Head Spouses's Name: Mary Gender: Male
Where born: Sholing, Hampshire, England
Civil parish: Southampton St Mary Extra Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England
Registration district: South Stoneham Sub-registration district: St Mary Extra
ED, institution, or vessel: 1a Household schedule number: 165
Household Members: Name Age
Ann Carter 7
Catherine Carter 13
Henry Carter 5
Sarah Carter 38
Sarah Carter 1
William Carter 15
Mary Forsbury 45
Mary A Forsbury 30
Richard Forsbury 1
Richrd Forsbury 77
Eliza Hunt 16
Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 1670; Folio: 23; Page: 38; GSU roll: 193578.Marriage - Any connection? In East Hampshire
10 Jul 1794 William FOSBURY of Steep Sarah COOK of Sheet Petersfield (by Banns)
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~buriton/Frox&SteepLic.htm
Also given as: http://www.lesleeztreez.com/petmarriages-C.htm
Page-Item Date G Names G SURNAMES G Notes G Father/Occ B Names B SURNAMES B Notes B Father/Occ Method Witnesses
36-1 10 Jul 1794 William FOSBURY of Steep Sarah COOK of Sheet Bns15-22-29Jun John Kelsey - Ann BrownThere is also a Fosbury Parish in Hampshire.
Parish Register Burials 1875 - 1995 East Meon
(Donated Transcription, Register Number not Known)
FIRST NAME LAST NAME D/MTH YEAR AGE ABODE AT DEATH
William FOSBERRY 2-Jul 1897 22 Eastmeon
http://mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/eastmeon/bur1875a.htmAny connection?
James FOSBERY
C. 1751 - ____
BIRTH: C. 1751, of Burghclere, Hampshire
Father: William FOSBURY
Mother: Wife of William FOSBURY
Family 1 : Hannah FOSBERY
MARRIAGE: 9 MAY 1772, Burghclere, Hampshire
+William FOSBURY
James FOSBERY
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HENRY WALLER Male
Spouse: MARTHA NEW
Marriage: 10 JUL 1790 Rogate, Sussex, England
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HENRY WALLER
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Christening: 22 JUN 1766 Rogate, Sussex, England
Father: WILLIAM WALLER
Mother: MARY
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C070962 1744 - 1876 0918260 Film NONEFrom Irene Kerr:
1/ Henry 4/ Edward 3/ James 6/ Elizabeth
b.1792 b. 1801 1799-1876 b. 1806 wed ?
wed ? wed ? wed 1821 Rogate
2/ Charlotte 5/ Mary Elizabeth Petter
b.1796 b. 1803 [8 children]
wed ? wed ? [all b. Rogate]
Henry William James George Edward
b. 1822 Rogate b.1824 bpt. 11/6/1826 b.1827 b.1829
wed ? widowed wed ? wed ?
Jane ? lived Harting Hannah ? 1881 lived Rogate
b.1822 Rogate Sussex b. 1830 Rogate
lived Buriton Hampshire lived terwick SussexHi Bill
A short email before we leave for Canberra. I have posted you some research I did while I was in Sussex but today I found some things I wrote down in Melbourne [before the system crashed]. Perhaps you can fit them into what I have posted.
Waller burials Rogate
27/6/1748 Richard
16/11/1747 William
23/12/1800 Ann
12/7/1816 Ann infant
12/8/1792 Anne
22/8/1785 Edward infant
13/11/1783 Maria
5/11/1789 Mary
23/11/1783 Sarah
20/2/1903 William
30/6/1836 Caroline infant
14/7/1826 Edward [70]
18/10/1833 Mary [74]
I will see if I can finish the list at the National Library or if I can go on-line from the National Library to the State Library of Victoria.
Chat next week, take care of yourself,
Irene x
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MARTHA NEW
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Birth: 1769 Of, , Sussex, England
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HENERY WALLER
Male
Christening: 20 JAN 1792 Rogate, Sussex, England
Father: HENERY WALLER
Mother: MARTHA
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CHARLOTTE WALLER
Female
Christening: 21 FEB 1796 Rogate, Sussex, England
Father: HENRY WALLER
Mother: MARTHA
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EDWARD WALLER
Male
Christening: 12 APR 1801 Rogate, Sussex, England
Father: HENRY WALLER
Mother: MARTHA
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EDWARD WALLER
Male
Spouse: ANN PESCOT
Marriage: 08 JUL 1821 Rogate, Sussex, England
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MARY WALLER
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Christening: 17 JUL 1803 Rogate, Sussex, England
Father: HENRY WALLER
Mother: MARTHA
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ELIZABETH WALLER
Female
Christening: 06 APR 1806 Rogate, Sussex, England
Father: HENRY WALLER
Mother: MARTHA
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I find no Henry Walter in Rogate, SussexInternational Genealogical Index / British Isles - 10
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Gender: Male Birth: About 1763 Keymer, Sussex, England2. HENRY WALLER - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 22 JUN 1766 Rogate, Sussex, England3. Henry Waller - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 09 APR 1772 Keymer, Sussex, England4. Henry WALLER - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 09 APR 1772 Keymer, Sussex, England5. Henry Waller - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 09 APR 1772 Keymer, Sussex, England6. Henry Waller - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 09 APR 1772 Keymer, Sussex, England7. Henry WALLER - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 09 APR 1772 Keymer, Sussex, England8. HENRY WALLER - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 30 JAN 1774 Bosham, Sussex, England9. HENRY WALLER - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Marriage: 13 APR 1776 Iford, Sussex, England10. HENRY WALLER - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Marriage: 04 DEC 1778 Hamsey, Sussex, EnglandMight this be him and his wife Martha?
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HENRY WALLER Male
Spouse: MARTHA NEW
Marriage: 10 JUL 1790 Rogate, Sussex, England
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Any connection?
BEACONSFIELD buk Hall Barn
Wenman - Waller - Aislabie 1670+
Built by Edmund Waller, the poet. Owned by John Aislabie, who added the Great Room (Colen Campbell) in 1724. N. Pevsner, Buckinghamshire, 1960. VCH, Buckinghamshire.
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HENRY WALLER Male
Christening: 22 JUN 1766 Rogate, Sussex, England
Father: WILLIAM WALLER
Mother: MARY
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C070962 1744 - 1876 0918260 Film NONEI could not find the christening of martha new in the IGI for Sussex - other than this one:
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MARTHA NEW Female
Birth: 1769 Of, , Sussex, England
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Gender: Male Christening: 12 JUN 1720 Ardingly, Sussex, England2. Willm. Waller - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Marriage: 27 APR 1721 Henfield, Sussex, England3. WILLIAM WALLER - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 05 JAN 1723 Bolney, Sussex, England4. William Waller - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 27 DEC 1724 Of, Botolphs, Sussex, England5. William Waller - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: About 1725 Of, Keymer, Sussex, England6. William Waller - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: About 1725 Of, Keymer, Sussex, England7. WILLIAM WALLER - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 28 MAY 1725 Rusper, Sussex, England8. William Waller - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: About 1725 Keymer, Sussex, England9. William Waller - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: About 1727 Of, Wadhurst, Sussex, England10. William Waller - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: About 1727 Of, Wadhurst, Sussex, England11. WILLIAM WALLER - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 1734 Of, , Sussex, England12. William Waller - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Marriage: 05 JAN 1737 Bramber, Sussex, England13. WILLIAM WALLER - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 11 MAR 1740 Horsham, Sussex, England14. WILLIAM WALLER - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 09 SEP 1744 Rogate, Sussex, England15. WILLIAM WALLER - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 23 OCT 1746 Newhaven, Sussex, England16. WILLIAM WALLER - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 15 NOV 1748 East Grinstead, Sussex, England17. William Waller - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Marriage: 08 APR 175118. WILLIAM WALLER - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Marriage: 05 APR 1752 Wadhurst, Sussex, England19. William Waller - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Marriage: 05 APR 175220. William Waller - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Marriage: 05 APR 1752 Wadhurst, Sussex, England21. William WALLER - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 23 JAN 1753 Keymer, Sussex, England22. William Waller - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 23 JAN 1753 Keymer, Sussex, England23. William Waller - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 23 JAN 1753 Keymer, Sussex, England24. William WALLER - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 23 JAN 1753 Keymer, Sussex, England25. William Waller - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 30 JUN 1753 Ashington, Sussex, England26. WILLIAM WALER - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 15 JUN 1755 West Hoathly, Sussex, England27. WILLIAM WALLER - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 28 JAN 1755 Keymer, Sussex, England28. WILLIAM WALLER - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 09 MAR 1758 Rusper, Sussex, England29. WILLM. WALLER - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Marriage: 28 AUG 1758 East Grinstead, Sussex, England30. WILLIAM WALLER - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Marriage: 1759 Of, , Sussex, England
Possibly William's parents:
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WILLIAM WALLER Male
Christening: 09 SEP 1744 Rogate, Sussex, England
Father: WILLIAM WALLER
Mother: ELIZABETH
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Possibly him if he remarried?
1851 England Census Record Name: Henry Walter Age: 64 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1787 Relation: Head Spouses's Name: Ann Gender: Male Where born: Warbleton, Sussex, England Civil parish: Lower Beeding County/Island: Sussex Country: England Registration district: Horsham Sub-registration district: South Horsham ED, institution, or vessel: 2a Household schedule number: 97 Household Members: Name Age Ann Walter 60 Esther Walter 4 Henry Walter 64 Mary Walter 24 Elizabeth Wilmot 14 Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 1648; Folio: 354; Page: 26; GSU roll: 193553.
"Carl Hartvig Hagen
Born November 27, 1902, Grorud, Norway. [Grorud, Olso province or Grorud, Kongsberg province?]
the eighth child of Karl and Alvilde Hagen"Hartvig was born in Grorud, Norway. He came by boat with his parents on June 07, 1911. Chris his brother came to Canada 2 years earlier arriving at Uncle Tom's farm. The rest of the family came later to Uncle Tom's farm including their parents. His family decided to use the name "Hagen" upon arriving in Canada the same name as Uncle Tom. The whole family including Chris all became Canadians at the same time on June 23, 1919."
From a Hagen family history written by Elsie Hagen Bilyea, and given to Bill Buchanan in January 1998.HAGEN, Hart & Millecent; Lure of the Homestead; Camrose
HAGEN, Hartwick; Pioneer Heritage of Kirriemuir; Special Area #4
Hagens buried in Bethany Lutheran Cemetery, Camrose - possibly related.
Hagen Annie Feb. 7/1897 Sept. /1921 --- B-A L13 G3
Hagen Mari 1852 March 28/1940 --- B-A L13 G2
Hagen Johannes Thorstin 1856 Jan. 19/1938 --- BIA L13 G1
Hagen Mathew --- May 1/1929 --- B-A L13 G4
Hagen John T. 1882 Dec. 13/1957 75 yrs. old B-A L13 G6Bawlf Lutheran Cemetery
Hagen; Fernanda 1860-1929
Hagen; Johan 1905-1993
Hagen; John (Jack) 1931-1997
Hagen; Saga 1910-1997
Hagen; Thomas C. 1854-1937
OUR HISTORY IN THE NORBUCK DISTRICT, as recorded by Mrs. Hart Hagen, (nee Millicent Ing.)
The first of our family to arrive at Norbuck was my Dad, James Ing. The reason he became interested in that part of the country was that he read in the Home Loving Hearts, of a Mrs. Bunney that grew an exceptionally large carrot. He thought that must be a good district.
After successive crop failures at Kirriemuir, Alberta, he left for Norbuck in the spring of 1929. He didn't have money to file on a homestead, so he worked for Sanford Nelson at fif-teen dollars a month, which was going wages then. He filed on the south-west quarter of sec-tion seven. He returned to Kirriemuir and in 1931 he and my mother, and my sister and her husband, and two little girls, Pearl and Joyce moved to Norbuck. Mr. Chapin Senior followed later.
In the spring of 1937 1 came to visit my folks at Norbuck while Hart looked for a new location. He didn't find anything suitable so he came there and liked the country. He came by car and was the first one to drive with a car to Uncle Dick's. We soon sold the car.
We lived in a tent the first summer, then in a log shack on my Dad's place. We bought the south-east quarter of section seven, the same section as my Dad, and fixed up the old log house that was there.
We had another son Alfred, born at Rimbey in 1939. We had a hard time to get estab-lished as Hart had swamp fever the first summer we were there and suffered from ulcers on his eye afterwards. He later had to have his eye removed.
We managed to get seventeen acres cleared and broke. We had some very good crops of oats, barley and hay. We had no fences so we had a hard time to keep track of our cows. They would often get across the canyon.
This canyon ran between our place and my Dad's and I often had to walk across with the baby in my arms. When I came back I sometimes had groceries in a pack on my back and the baby in my arms with Harold running along beside me.
Our closest Post Office and store was at Norbuck. Hart often carried groceries from there in a pack sack which was about four miles. Our postmaster was Frank Rath.
When Harold became school age we had to take correspondence school for him as we were too far from Norbuck or Wenham. Valley.
Our neighbors were; Tom Swanby, Ole Thompson, Leonard Erickson, O'Briens, Hasting's, Mayers, and our relatives, Mrs. Carrie Hatherley, Willie and Florence [Hatherley], who lived where Ray Matthews is now, and Uncle Dick Ings, and my folks.
We had a spring down at the creek on our place. We had to carry all our water from there and I washed clothes down there in the summer. It was about a quarter of a mile from the house. We later set off a dynamite charge in the well by the house and a piece of rock flew out and cut off a poplar tree beyond the barn where the men had gone for shelter. We had water in the well after that.
We skidded logs up from the canyon, sawed it into blocks and loaded a double wagon box and sold it in Winfield for one dollar and fifty cents a load.
We finally purchased a horse and made a cart from two wagon wheels. I used it to go to a Ladies Aid meeting at Wenhem Valley, and on the way home one of the wheels came off. They were too heavy for me to lift so I got my two little boys on the horse and got on the horse myself and rode home.
Another time I had taken Dad's horse and buggy and picked up Aunt Carrie and Flor-ence and we drove up near Swanby's to pick berries. On the way back we stopped to pick peas from my garden and had tied the horse to a gatepost. Alfred had just fallen asleep so we left him in the buggy and were keeping a close watch, but when we looked again the horse and buggy were gone. We saw the tracks leading down the trail through the bush towards the canyon. When I caught up to her she had crossed a narrow bridge on the creek, and a steep hill and bridge over the canyon and was standing at the gate to Dad's pasture. It took an ex-perienced driver to drive through that road, so I'm sure the Lord rode in that buggy and guided it that day. The baby was crying but unhurt, but our berries were spilled.
For entertainment we met in different homes and played games and music. We also met for Prayer meetings and song services. We had Sunday School at Norbuck School and sometimes attended the Church at Knob Hill. One Christmas there was no snow on the ground and we went with the Ted Chapins to the Christmas Concert at Knob Hill in a lumber wa-gon. What a bumpy ride! One Christmas the Knob Hill Ladies Group sent us a large parcel. I hope they know how much it was appreciated.
Hart was good at trapping weasels but one Christmas when we were short of money he took the traps to Breton and sold them. He came home with so many mysterious parcels even I didn't know what was in them. The boys and I had trimmed a tree and we look back on that as one of our nicest times at Christmas. We always got together with the rest of the relatives for Christmas day, either at my folk’s or Uncle Dick Ing’s.
When I arrived at Winfield by bus, I heard the fires were bad around and everyone was busy fighting them. There was no one there to meet me so I toook a room at the hotel and had bathed and fed the baby and had put him to bed, and was preparing, for bed my-self when my brother-in-law, Ted Chapin, came to get me. I was thankful to the hotel. man (can't remember his name), as he gave me back my money and didn't charge me anything for using the room. We stayed at O'Briens that night as the rest of my folks were at Chapins. My Dad had buried all the valuables from his house in case it burned, but they managed to save it.
Once when 1 was alone with the children I got up in the morning and saw a bear out by the barn. I took the rifle and fired a shot to scare it. It kept coming back, and Hart was afraid to leave home to go to work. It only came at night so he couldn't get a shot at it. So he finally set the gun so it would shoot itself using honey for bait. However it just wounded itself and he could-n't find it in the dark. So he got Walter and Charlie Ing to come, and in the morning they found it not far from our house. It took a shot from each of their guns to kill it. We were afraid to let the children out to play after that, and I carried a gun when I went to milk the cows, but we soon forgot about it and life went on as usual.
We sent to the W.W. Arcade in Edmonton for wire and strung it through the trees across to my Dad' s. We each had a pair of old radio earphones and this served as our telephone and saved us many a trip back and forth. It ran on the fences to Hastings, Chapins and Heatherleys as well.
There is not much comparison between then and now. As there is power, telephones, and good roads, we had poor roads, no power or telephones.
The reason we left there was because we were too far from school for beginners. We always intended to go back to our farm as we liked, it very much out there. We moved to Bawlf and then to Ohaton where we now reside.
[Trail Blazers, pages 168-170]MILLICENT HAGEN of Camrose passed away on Sunday, August 21st, 2005 at the age of 98 years, She is survived by her sons Harold and Alfred. She was predeceased by her husband, Carl. A funeral service will be held on Wednesday, August 24th at 2:00 pm at the First baptist Church. Memorial donations are accepted to the charity of one's choice. Burgar Funeral Home in care of arrangements - Phone 672-2121.
[printed in the Camrose Canadian]At the funeral Evans Carson mentioned that when he and Myrtle visited Millicent a few weeks previously, they weren't sure she was even aware of their presence. All previous visits had been very enjoyable as Millicent was an excellent conversationalist.
Funeral Program:
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IN LOVING MEMORY OF MILLICENT MARION HAGEN 1906-2005
First Baptist Church, Camrose, Alberta, 2:00 p.m., Wednesday, August 24, 2005
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MILICENT MARION HAGEN
Millicent Marion Hagen passed away in Camrose on Sunday, August 21, 2005 at the age of 98 years. She was born in Rainy River, Ontario on October 25, 1906. At a young age she had moved with family to Alberta.
Millie is survived by her two sons Harold and Alfred, as well as numerous grandchildren, greatgrandchildren, nieces and nephews. She was predeceased by her husband Hart.
She had always enjoyed all of her family as well as her music.
You are invited to join the family for fellowship and refreshments in the church hall following the interment.
Your comfort and support are greatly appreciated and gratefully acknowledged.
- The family
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Officiating
Pastor Lloyd AlstadOrganist
Merle Stover
Pianist
Ruth KellerOrder of Service
Opening Remarks
Scripture Sentences
Prayer
Hymn #302: "What A Friend We Have In Jesus"
Eulogy: Geraldine Hagen
Special Music: Chapin Family
Prayer
Hymn #429: "The Old Rugged Cross"
Scripture: John 14:1-11
Message
Hymn #435: "1 Love To Tell The Story"
Benediction
Postlude
Interment
Camrose CemeteryPallbearers: Eugene Burke Doug Hagen Ted Chapin
Leon Hagen Troy Lavallee Dwayne Chapin
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PSALM 23
The Lord is my shepherd, I shall not want. He maketh me to lie down in green pastures; He leadeth me beside still waters. He restoreth my soul, He leadeth me in paths of righteousness for His name's sake.
Yea though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil; for Thou art with me; Thy rod and Thy staff they comfort me. Thou preparest a table before me in the presence of mine enemies: Thou anointest my head with oil, my cup runneth over. Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life; and I will dwell in the house of the Lord for ever.
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Burgar funeral home, CAMROSE LTD., 672-2121
"More than 90 years of dedicated service"
Elise Hagen Bilyea spells the name Vyda, but I am sure Millicent gave it to me as Nyda.
"Pioneer Heritage of Kirriemuir, Altario and Compeer"; Brocklesby, and Wheatsheaf W.I.
"Green Glen History by Harry Waud"
"The Hagens arrived from Bawlf in 1913 or 1914". p.65
"I would like to mention here, two very bad prairie fires. We witnessed the first one which started about
one and one-half miles north and east of Hagen's home on the range of hills on the Provost trail. Braggs Bros. were moving their threshing outfit down from Provost when they ran out of water for their steam engine. It was late and dark so they shut down and went to K. Bowerman's for the remainder of the night. At 4.00 the next morning the outfit was ablaze, and, of course the prairie was soon afire. Several of us fought it rather half-heartedly until about 9:00 a.m. when the wind became stronger and changed direction. At first the came from the west. Then it changed to the north and later to the east. We got it out about 11: 00 p.m. when we ran into the C.P.R. three or four miles east of Kirriemuir. The next bad fire came the following spring. It started 12 miles northwest of Wauds and swept up everything in its path, including the W. E. Young's cattle on the ranch north and west of Murphys and Hagens. H. Waud lost his hay stack and barn; and the badly-needed grass was gone." p 65
"EARLY SETTLERS (SOD BUSTERS)" ... Mr. and Mrs. Karl Hagen; Christian, Sigrid, Ragnvold, Johanna, Hartwick, John, and Borgany, 1914", p.65REMINISCENCE OF HOMESTEAD DAYS
by Johanna RenoOn June 7th, 1911, Our Dad, Carl Hagen and family, left Norway, arriving in Bawlf two weeks later. We stayed there, at Uncle Hagen's farm for three years, getting our first taste of farm life.
In the summer of 1914, Dad and Chris filed on homestead and pre-emption ten miles north of Altario, then called Bideford. Soon Dad and Chris loaded a wagon with supplies, hitched up a good team of horses, tied a milch cow behind, and with sister, Sigrid, to cook, started the long trek from Bawlf to Altario. One week later they arrived at the homestead. The rest of us left Bawlf in the late fall and Dad met us in Provost.
Topping a hill, Dad pointed towards a cluster of buildings. "There is our destination," he said. This was the Hilliker place, which we rented until Dad and Chris got a well dug and our sod house built. It was with pride we moved in to this house. It was ours!
Soon the bachelors, for miles around, came to visit us. On winter evenings it was not unusual for them to join us at the long family table playing Flinch or Snap, with cards made from building paper. Other times we would have a sing-song. Later coffee was served with homemade bread, butter and cheese. It was the fellowship we most enjoyed.
In the spring the hills were covered with crocuses. The calves and colts gamboled in the warm sunshine. The mother hens were clucking to their chicks. Young pigs grunted to be fed. Everything was bursting with life.
In the summer, Sunday was a day to enjoy playing ball, pitching horseshoes, and horseback riding. Sports days were always the high-light of the summer. With a lunch packed, and dressed in our Sunday best, we took off to Altario or neighbouring towns to enjoy horse racing, foot racing and meeting friends.
Saskatoons and other berries were gathered for preserving. Prairie chickens, ducks and geese were plentiful. Our garden produce was stored or canned for winter. Cheese and butter were also stored. Pigs and a beef were butchered. Wood cut and stacked, and coal was brought home. We were ready for winter!
In the winter it was fun skiing on the steep hills, and skating on the bigger sloughs. On moonlight nights we would go out on a high hill and howl to the coyotes. Pretty soon we would hear a long drawn howl from a coyote on a distant hill. This pastime was always good for an hour or two.
One of our greatest treasures was the gramophone. When chores were done, Mother would put aside her knitting; Dad would place the Bible back on the shelf; we children would put away the Flinch cards as we listened to the songs on the gramophone. Such songs as 'Roaming in the Gloaming", "The Trail of the Lonesome Pine", and "When the Roses Bloom Again Beside the River" were favourites.
There was contentment in our home and where there is contentment there is happiness.
"Pioneer Heritage of Kirriemuir, Altario and Compeer"; Brocklesby, and Wheatsheaf W.I., p.66" Johanna Reno, of Altario, hauling water" [photo of a young woman riding on the back of an ox that is pulling what appears to be a stoneboat with two cream cans piled one on the other], p. 68
"Centennial Celebrations - 1964 ...
Ragnvold A. Hagen 1914
Johanna Reno (nee Hagen), age 63", p. 111http://www.smflibrary.ca/brandh.html
Cancelled Brand Files - H
Hagen, Carl from Altario
Hagen, Ragnvald, A from Altario
Hagen, Ronald J. from Altario, ConsortAlberta Genealogical Society Master Name Index
Hagen, Alvilde 22 Jul 1866 - 03 Oct 1942 Altario Public, Altario
Hagen, Alvin Gilbert child - 14 May 1960 7d Altario Public, Altario
Hagen, Carl Hartvik 27 Nov 1902 03 Feb 1979 First Baptist, Camrose
Hagen, Child - 26 May 1932 Altario Public
Hagen, Hartwick C 02 - 8 Feb 1979 Camrose Municipal
Hagen, Karl Alvilde 11 July 1956 - 01 April 1936 Altario Public, Altario
Hagen, Rose 05 Aug 1946 - 10 Dec 1968 22y Altario Public, Altario [who is she?]
Alberta Genealogical Society Master Surname Index
Johanna Reno 1900 - 1983 Evergreen Memorial, Edmonton
Hagen, Christian 1891 - 1961 Evergreen Memorial, Edmonton
Hagen, Ragnvold - 17 May 1978 aged 79yrs Lake Road, Consort
Alberta Genealogical Society Master Surname Index
Johanna Reno 1900 - 1983 Evergreen Memorial, Edmonton
Hagen, Christian 1891 - 1961 Evergreen Memorial, Edmonton
Hagen, Ragnvold Antonios - 17 May 1978 aged 79yrs Lake Road, Consort
married Reno
FreeBMD Birth: in the quarter ending Dec 1872. So James was born in Kensington, London.
Dec 1872 Ing James Alfred Kensington 1a 36He came to Ontario from England [in 1889] when a boy and later homesteaded in the Rainy River district. He came west in 1910 and homesteaded again at Kirriemuir, Alberta, until 1932, when drought caused him to homestead again in the Norbuck area near Breton.
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Ups and Downs
A Monthly Journal published under the auspices of Dr Barnardo's Homes.
Toronto, April 1, 1896. Vol. 1, No. 9.
ML-283/OOA/Reel #1 National Archives Library, 344 Wellington Street, Ottawa
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OUR OLD FRIENDS' DIRECTORY
NAME, Post Office, County, Date of Arrival in Canada.
ING James A, Teeswater, Bruce, April 1889.
http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/ifetch2?/u1/textindices/B/BRITISHHOMECHILDREN+2004+8591516388+MESSAGE-BODYautomatedgenealogy.com 1901 census of Canada
District: ON ALGOMA (#44) Subdistrict: Aylesworth j-1 Page 3
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13 31 Ing James A M Head S Oct 27 1872, age 28, born England, Immigrated 1889, Father English, Mother English, Methodist, FarmerInformation from death certificate and obituary.
Name Burial Date Cemetery *Section/Block/Plot
MARTHA ING 5/10/48 BEECHMOUNT / 313 / 0018
JAMES ING 12/7/59 BEECHMOUNT / 322 / 0034
ELIZABETH ING 12/5/50 BEECHMOUNT / 322 / 0033http://www.rootsweb.com/~abarchiv/sparea4/pubphok.txt
Local History Book Index: Pioneer Heritage of Kirriemuir, Altario and Compeer
- Special Area #4
ING, George; 24
ING, Harold; 16
ING, Hetty; 60
ING, J; 37
ING, Jim (Mrs); 16
ING, Millicent; 60
ING, Mr; 81
ING,//; 15Pioneer Heritage of Kirriemuir, Altario and Compeer
ING, George; 24
ING, Harold; 16
ING, Hetty; 60
ING, J; 37
ING, Jim (Mrs); 16
ING, Millicent; 60
ING, Mr; 81
ING,//; 15http://www.rootsweb.com/~abarchiv/sparea4/pubphok.txt
ING; Pioneer Heritage of Kirriemuir; Special Area #4
ING, George; Pioneer Heritage of Kirriemuir; Special Area #4
ING, Harold; Pioneer Heritage of Kirriemuir; Special Area #4
ING, Hetty; Pioneer Heritage of Kirriemuir; Special Area #4
ING, J; Pioneer Heritage of Kirriemuir; Special Area #4
ING, Jim (Mrs); Pioneer Heritage of Kirriemuir; Special Area #4
ING, Millicent; Pioneer Heritage of Kirriemuir; Special Area #4
ING, Mr; Pioneer Heritage of Kirriemuir; Special Area #4Edmonton Cemetery Interment
Name Burial Date Cemetery Section/Block/Plot
ELIZABETH ING 12/05/1950 BEECHMOUNT /322 /0033
JAMES ING 12/07/1959 BEECHMOUNT /322 /0034
MARTHA ING 05/10/1948 BEECHMOUNT /313 /0018
http://www.edmonton.ca/portal/server.pt/gateway/PTARGS_0_2_220_211_0_43/http%3B/AppServer/ExternalSupported/Cemeteries/CemeteryIntermentList.aspx"Pioneer Heritage of Kirriemuir, Altario and Compeer"; Brocklesby, and Wheatsheaf W.I.; 1970
"DRY LAKE
Dry Lake School was situated NE 24-33-3-4. It was Built by Mr. Robbins and opened in 1914. ... Among the first students were Campbells, George, Milllicent and Hattie [sic) Ing ...
Pioneer settlers included ... Ings."
"Mrs. Jim Ing and grandson, Harold, standing outside the Hagen log cabin. [photo]
Pioneer Heritage of Kirriemuir," p.15-16
George Ing in photo of Dry Lake school children about 1915, p. 24
"Following is a list of people receiving mail at Wilhelmina post-office taken from Henserson's Alberta Gazetteer (1914 or 1915 ) ... A post-office on Sec. 33 Tp 34, Rg 2, west of the 4th Mer., in the electoral district of Red Deer ... J. Ing, ..." p.37
"Senior school room, 1924 - (left to right) back row, Jessie Johnson, Hetty Ing, Millicent Ing, ..."; p. 60
"EARLY DAYS OF THE CHURCH
by Joyce Hill
NEW CHURCH AT COMPEER
For many years the people of Compeer, in the Stettler Presbytery, have worshipped in the Orange Hall. They always longed for a church, but felt the task was too great for them. Under the able ministry of Rev. A. E. Larke the forces were rallied and a real united effort was made. The result is one of the most beautiful smaller churches in the province of Alberta. It is 28 feet by 36 feet, with vestibule 10 feet by 16 feet. It has a full-sized basement, heated with a furnace and lighted by electricity. ... The first church services started in the summer of 1912 and it was called the Wilhelmina Mission. The first quarterly Official Board meeting of the Wilhelmina Mission held at Mr. Robinson's house on August 23rd, 1912, S0 p.m. Rev. R. L. Macdonald, B.A., presided and Rev. Harden was also present, and J. W. Smiley, the student minister. Also present were Messrs. Ing, Meiers, Morley, as well as Mrs. Robinson, Mrs. Morley Mrs. Smith. ... The congregations seemed to be made up of Methodist and Presbyterian denominations.", p 81
"Auntie Jane" was blind. When her sister-in-law Louisa first met her, Jane was in her garden at Kirriemuir, with her face just inches from the ground.
"Whatever is Jane doing?", she asked Richard. "She's weeding the garden", was his reply. Her sight grew progressively worse, but she kept on with her household duties, even baking the bread. Uncle Jim would have to take the bread out when it was done, but she did all the other work, even when she was totally blind. Through it all, she kept a positive attitude and was described as one of the most saintly people alive.Info from her death certificate. Note that the death certificate spells her father's name Hatherlugh, but this is an error.
She had a love of music, which she passed on to her children and grandchildren. Her relatives, such as Willy Hatherley, have remained in close touch with the family.
George never married. He lived in an underground dwelling on the old homestead at Kirriemuir. A neighbor commented "Old George maybe lives underground like a gopher, but the world would be a lot better place if there were more people like George Ing."
He was somewhat of a mechanical genius. He had fitted an old windmill head to run the buzz saw which he used for cutting his firewood. Even the sawblade was manufactured by him. He had a collection of old vehicles, including a ski-equipped Model A Ford with a pusher propeller. This was invented 40 years before the modern snowmobile. He built wind-generators to provide electric
lighting for his home.He lived very simply, much as the pioneers did. Some people would judge him to be living in abject poverty, but the simple life was his own deliberate choice. He had more money, more house, more food and more clothing than he felt he needed. He loved music and enjoyed entertaining people by playing his violin and harmonica simultaneously. He was an interesting and gentle person.
For the last few years of his life George lived in a senior's lodge, where he made many close friends, where he could visit with them and enjoy entertaining tem with his music.
http://www.harrypalmergallery.ab.ca/galsentpeople/ing.html
George Ing & Visitors, Kirriemuir, Alberta, 1988
George lived alone in a dirt cellar under the shack seen behind him in the portrait. There he had a telephone and a radio where he liked to listen to oldtime music. He could play various musical instruments and while I was there he gave me some lessons with a simple accordian. I understand that he eventually moved to a seniors' residence in Consort, Alberta. [photo]
Births Jun 1884 Ing Marion Marylebone 1a 618
She worked in a laundry, and the moist air was considered to be part of the reason she died of tuberculosis at such a young age. This helped persuade the rest of the family to move to Canada. She had no children.
Her marrige date is given as 12 Dec 1905 and elsewhere as 25 Dec 1905.
"Marion knew that William Smith had tuberculosis when she married him, and that she risked catching it from him. He recovered, but she caught it and died." - Dorothy Buchanan & Violet Matthews
Buried in Paddington cemetery grave 10374.
FreeBMD
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Births Mar 1867 Ing William Robert Marylebone 1a 535
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Births Dec 1872 Ing James Alfred Kensington 1a 36
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Births Mar 1875 ING Jane Marylebone 1a 617
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Births Jun 1877 Ing Frederick John Marylebone 1a 575
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Births Sep 1879 Ing Henry Charles Marylebone 1a 598
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Births Dec 1881 Ing Richard Samuel Marylebone 1a 608
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Births Jun 1884 Ing Marion Marylebone 1a 618
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Births Jun 1888 ING Ada Louisa Paddington 1a 3
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Thomas not yet listed
Emily not yet listed.
1901 Census of England and Wales
Name Age WhereBorn AdministrativeCounty Civil Parish Occupation
Walter Suter 22 Hunts Yaxley Canterbury Westgate Without Baker
Rosea Suter 23 Hunts Yaxley Canterbury Westgate Without Shop Asstant
Both are shown as single as expected, being brother and sister.or born Yorkley, England (probably a corruption of Yaxley, England)
Walter Suter was the second child of William and Sarah (Fenton) Suter. The family had a bakery and he delivered the bread. He immigrated to Canada and married Ada Louise Ing on the 9 April 1910.
According to my database they were married in Brandon, Manitoba, but a very thorough search of the Manitoba online vital statistics failed to find their marriage anywhere in Manitoba.
Roots of the Suter Family
The Suter family came from England in the 1800s. It is believed that they came from the area around Canterbury or Herne Bay.
William Suter had a bakery in England. He was married twice. In his first marriage he had two sons, Bill Suter and Jack Suter. William Suter's second wife, Sarah Fenton, had a daughter Nelly Fenton. William and Sarah (Fenton) Suter had Rose Suter, Walter James Suter, Frank Suter and Herb Suter. They also adopted Freddie Suter, who was older than Herb.
Jack Suter had a son whose name was also Jack Suter. Jack Suter jr died when a rock fell on him.
Nelly Fenton married Bill Hatfield.
Rose Suter stayed single.
Frank Suter had two sons, Russell Suter and Palum Suter.
Herb Suter was killed during World War I. He had a son Edward Suter, who was born during the war.
Walter James Suter married Ada Louise Ing. They had eleven children: Walter James Suter jr, Ada Louise Suter jr, Violet Suter, Robert Suter, Edward Suter, Herbert Suter, Charles Suter, May Suter, Ethel Suter, Gordon Suter and Donald Suter.
Sarah (Fenton) Suter passed away in England on September 3, 1914. William Suter passed away sometime around 1919 or 1920, five or six years after Sarah.
From “Carrot Creek Remembers”, a local history on deposit in the Provincial Archives of Alberta, Edmonton
971.233 C237 pages 281-285Walter and Ada Suter submitted by Violet Weinhardt
Walter Suter Sr. was born in Canterbury, En-gland, on December Ist, 1878. He was the 5th child of a family of eight. Walter was a baker by trade. In 1906 he immigrated to Canada.
Ada Ing was born in London, England, on February 29, 1888. She was the youngest child of a family of ten. In 1907 she came to Canada with her mother, Martha Jane Ing.
Walter Suter Sr. and Ada Ing, met, and were married at Brandon, Manitoba, and then moved to Edmonton, Alberta. While there, their first two chil-dren were born, Walter James Jr. on Jan. 22, 1911, and Ada Louise on Nov. 21, 1912. Walter Sr. delivered coal around Edmonton. While doing this he met Bert Ripley and Jim Garner, who convinced him that Carrot Creek was the place to move to.
During a rainstorm on June 3rd, 1914, Walter and Ada arrived at Carrot Creek by train. The station was then called Otley. Also on the same train were their new neighbors to be, Mr. and Mrs. John Lamb. Mr. Herb Robinson Sr. was there to meet them with a team of horses and a double box on the wagon as the Lambs had brought their furniture. The men loaded the furniture, piled the women and children on top and started the journey to their homestead. Mr. Suter had been there earlier and had a three room log house ready for his wife and children. At that time the wild rabbits were very abundant and people were eating them for meat.
Walter Suter Sr. cleared some land for the home-stead title for SE 22-53-13-W5 and then on September 1, 1914, he decided to get a job on the C.N.R. Walter worked as a sectionman Monday through Saturday and had only Sunday off each week. He earned $2 a day.
On December 3rd, 1914, Ada Suter made history at Carrot Creek. She gave birth to the first set of twins born there. She named them Violet and Robert (Bob). Dr. Scott was in attendance and Mrs. Lamb was the midwife. On March 16,1917 Edward (Teddy) was born, followed by Herbert on Sept. 30th, 1919, then on July 24th, 1921, Charles. Mrs. Lamb died in Jan. 1923 so when Ada gave birth to May on Septem-ber 9, 1923, Mrs. Nordin was the midwife. On January 30th, 1927, Ada delivered another set of twins, whom she named Ethel and Gordon. Six months later the Suter family moved into a two story, four bedroom house Walter Sr. had built. Dr. Scott died in 1928 so when Ada had her last child, Donald, on June 21, 1929, a nurse from Peers was in attendance.
On February 3rd, 1931, disaster struck. About five in the evening the Suter house burned to the ground. Until they could rebuild, the Suters lived in an old log house at Munsons. A few months later Walter Sr. built another five room log house for the family.
In 1932 Grandma (Martha Jane) Ing came to live with her daughter, Ada Suter. Grandma Ing was 85 years old at the time. She was a very happy and active person who got along well with her teenage grand-children and other young people of the district. Grandma Ing hooked lots of rugs with wool and made many quilts. She also loved to listen to her favorite song, "Sidewalks of New York" on the old wind-up gramophone. In 1933 the neighbors gave her a sur-prise birthday party at the Suter home. Mrs. Griggs organized it and Mrs. Howlett bought the ingredients for making ice cream in two pails. Everyone had their turn to whirl the pail around to make the ice cream. A rare treat. At the age of 94 Grandma Ing moved to the Saint Joseph Hospital in Edmonton where she stayed until her death in her 100th year.
When the war started, three of the Suter boys, Edward (Teddy), Herbert, and Charles, joined the army. All three returned home safely.
Due to ill health, Ada Suter moved to Edson around 1948. After working 39 years on the railroad, Walter Sr. retired in 1943. Walter lived on the farm until his death from pneumonia in 1952. Ada died in 1957. Both Walter and Ada are buried at Edson.
Walter Jr. married Zulmah Griggs from Carrot Creek and had 5 children. They lived on the old Lamb homestead until they moved to Devon, Alber-ta, in 1956. Walter died in 1972 and Zulmah now lives in Edson. Ada has one son. She lived in Edson until 1959 and then she moved to Port Alberni, B.C. Violet married Arno Weinhardt in 1949 and has two children. They (Violet and Arno), lived at Prince George, B.C. until 1954 when they returned to Car-rot Creek and bought her parents' old homestead. In 1960 Amo died and Violet sold the farm to Mr. and Mrs. Ray Keyes and moved to Edson. Robert (Bob) lived at Prince George, B.C. after his marriage to Florence Wall in 1949. He had five children. Bob died in 1976. Edward (Teddy) remained single. He worked for a construction company and then as a security guard until his death in 1979. Herbert mar-ried Bessie Hexter of Edson and had 2 children. They moved to Port Alberni, B.C. in 1947 and in 1975 Herbert died. Charles married Aimee MacMillan from the Niton district and lived in Edmonton. They had 7 children. Charlie died in 1976. May married Donald Pearce from Edson and has 3 children. In 1959 they moved to Edmonton. Ethel married Robert Sheehan in 1945 and has lived at Fort St. James, B.C. since then. They had 12 children. Gordon married Audrey Rose and stayed at Carrot Creek until 1962 and then they moved to Darwell, Alta. Audrey died in 1972. Gordon has one son. Donald married Elsie McPhee from Niton (a widow with 4 children). They lived at Carrot Creek until 1965 then they moved to Edson. Donald also has one son.
It has been many years since our childhood at Carrot Creek but there are many things we could never forget. Our father, Walter Sr., was called up on stage at Christmas concerts many times to sing. He was an excellent singer. Even today, many of his decendants are talented in music. Empty lard or syrup pails served as lunch buckets. They also made good weapons to throw at neighborhood boys on the way home from school. Stovepipe elbows made ex-cellent dolls. They fit perfectly into the bend of your arm. The arrival of the new Eatons catalogue was a big event. The boys spent hours looking at guns and traps and the girls spent an equal amount of time dreaming over the newest fashions. The old catalogue served a good purpose too (remember!!!).
Donald Suter
I was born at the Carrot Creek home of Walter and Ada Suter on June 21, 1929. I was the youngest of the family, having six older brothers and four older sisters.
The house that I was born in burned down when I was a baby so I can only remember the second house that was built. It was 30 feet by 40 feet and built of logs. Partitions were built into the house with logs as the house was being built. There was no ceiling, just open rafters. A cellar, about 12 feet by 24 feet was dug underneath the house where the vegetables and potatoes were kept. In the winter, when it was cold, the family would stay up all night to keep the fire going to prevent the vegetables and potatoes from freezing. We would play whist to entertain ourselves while we were doing that. Every fall we used to get a gunny sack and gather fresh moss to chink the cracks in the house. There was no insulation under the roof so in the wintertime the heat from the stove would melt the snow on the roof, thus forming icicles from the eaves right down to the ground.
I remember when our family got their first radio. It was a Westinghouse cabinet size. It had an aerial 100 feet long and 30 feet high. It was powered by four big batteries. We spent all evening trying to get it to work. The next day Don Moore came to set it up for us and got it going. Fibber McGee and Molly and Amos and Andy were my favorite programs.
We all looked forward to Christmas. Our family got two boxes of oranges and one box of apples and lots of candy and nuts. There was always a Christmas concert at the Carrot Creek hall where all the school classes had something to do.
Some of my older brothers and sisters were out working at logging camps and other jobs, but they always got home for Christmas until about 1940. The war was on at that time and some of my brothers were in the Armed Forces and could not get home for Christmas after that.
As I think back to those years I realize how hard my mother worked. She would wash clothes on a scrub board for about five or six of us that were still at home, patch our clothes, bake bread, chum butter, and make meals for all of us when we were hungry. I think at that time we all had good appetites. The old wood cookstove hardly ever got cold. That stove was used for everything; cook the toast on top of it for breakfast, dried our mitts and socks (it seemed like they were always wet), baked the bread, and many more things. I think about 50 percent of the time the fire wood was about half green or it was wet from the snow and rain. I remember sometimes Mom would dry the wood in the oven before she would put it in the firebox. I guess all the mothers at that time had to work hard to keep things going.
Our dad worked on the railroad. He worked six days a week, and I think, ten hours a day. He had to walk five miles to work. He would walk home after work on Saturday night and get up about four o'clock Monday morning to walk back. He worked at Carrot Creek for about fifteen years. Then he was trans-ferred to Edson where he put in another fifteen years. At the age of 65, after thirty years of working for the C.N.R., he retired. He received a pension of thirty dollars a month. I guess that is what they call the, 'Good old days'.
The first of July picnic was another big event. It was usually at the Collin place, where Albert Hansen now lives. Later on they had a sports day on Robin-son's field. Sam Robinson let the community use three or four acres just west of the store. They had a refreshment booth and a ball diamond. There was sure lots of ice cream, water melons, and lemonade, a real treat for us. It started around noon and didn't end until around eight or nine at night. The organizers usually gave money to the winners of the sack races, wheelbarrow races, and other events.
In 1936, at the tender age of seven I started my education at the Carrot Creek School. Miss McGum-mery was the teacher at that time. Some of my grade one classmates were; Fred Karl, Helen Irwin, and Murray Beck. Besides schoolwork, we also had to pack water to the school from the Pattens or Emests, usually at noon hour I started that around the age of nine. Everyone at the school took turns to pack the water. The school was on two acres of land and everyone had to stay inside the fence. Quite often we snuck out and sometimes we were caught. Usually as a punishment, we had to stay in at recess time. My report card was never that great. The school children played ball in the summer and usually fox and geese in the winter. I quit school in grade eight.
My brother Gordon and I had a few traps on the trail to school. We never got rich on it though. We sold the furs at Carrot Creek store. A good weasel got about 50 cents and a squirrel maybe 20 cents. A person could buy a lot of candy with that much money.
Gordon and I went for groceries to the store by the time we were nine or ten. We used to pack the groceries in a flour sack and coal oil in a gallon jug. I remember one trip in particular. We went for gro-ceries and Sam Robinson gave us a banana. Wow!!!
The thrill of a lifetime. About two dollars worth of groceries was all we could pack. And definitely, with over five dollars worth, Herb or Charlie would have to take the team of horses and wagon to get the groceries.
I made my first trip to Edson when I was ten. The King and Queen came through Edson and all the school kids went there. We sure had a good view of them. We all had a good time. The school children rode up in the back of an express truck.
Gordon was two years older than I and the two of us used to have a great time when we were growing up. We spent hours and hours walking in the bush. We always carried slingshots and all the rocks we could get in our pockets. We knew every rabbit trail and every frog pond within five miles of home. In those days there was lots of partridge in the bush so in the fall we shot lots of chicken dinners with our slingshots. Our mother could make a wonderful meal with the partridge and fresh garden vegetables from our big garden.
For Gordon and I, in those great years of our lives, it was not all fun and games. We also had work to do. We had to saw and carry in firewood. We always had a couple of cows to milk and feed. There was no such thing as going to the store and seeing a fresh quart of milk on the shelves. We had to weed and hoe those long rows of carrots, turnips, peas and potatoes. That sure was not our favorite pastime.
When school was out for the two months in the summer, we had to head for the berry patch. May, Ethel, Gordon and I would all take lard or syrup pails and go and pick strawberries, blueberries, saska-toons, and raspberries. The berries were all within a mile from home and we would have to bring our pails home full. We didn't like that job very much, but we sure liked to eat them after they were cooked and in jars for the winter.
In August, when I was thirteen years old, I was trying to be a cowboy. As a result the horse (Prince) threw me off and my leg was broken. It happened at the Howletts. Bill Manary took me to the Edson Hospital in his truck. I spent eight months in the hospital.
We had many good fishing holes at the Carrot Creek and the Lobstick. We always caught our limit (grayling and trout) within the least amount of time. Sometimes Gordon, Teddy, Bill Novotny, Harvey and Allen Howlett, and I would go fishing for the day. We would have a 25 cent bet on who would catch the first fish, who would catch the biggest fish and who would catch the most fish. It would make a real fun day.
There used to be some good dances in the old Carrot Creek hall. My brother, Walter, used to play in a band with Carl and Nels Jensen. Everyone who went to the dances in the late forties at Carrot Creek will remember their music. They played lots of good old time square dances. When they got about forty-eight couples up for a square dance the floor in that old hall would bounce up and down about a foot and a half. What a good time we used to have there! I remember one time my brother, Bob, and I went there for a dance. When we paid our admission at the door to get in we also bought a raffle ticket on a chicken. Later that night when they made the draw they pulled Bob's name. The funny part of it was when they gave Bob the chicken, it was still alive and in a sack. It was a big red rooster so Bob and I left the dance to walk home carrying the rooster. We were staying over at the old home place (where the Ray Keyes family live now). It was a two mile walk and as we walked along the road every once in a while that old rooster would crow. When we got home we figured that was the end of a perfect day.
My first job after I quit school was peeling rail-road ties for Bill Manary at Edson. We were paid about two to four cents a tie. Gordon also worked there. After that I worked in bush camps around the Carrot Creek area. I worked for Albert Novotny and Sam Robinson for three years. Then I worked for Jack Rogers for 15 years in the bush, and on the farm during the summer. Jack Rogers always ran a nice bush camp and was just a great boss. In 1958 and 1959 Rogers had a nice woman cook and nobody knows that better than I do, because she's been my wife for the past twenty-five years,
On October 17, 1959 Elsie McPhee and I were married. Elsie had four children; Jeanette and Nor-man (Paddy) who were still going to school, and Shirley and Ernie (Bunny) who were out working.
Elsie and I have one son, Ken. At that time I had bought a half section of land from Eli Wild, where we lived until 1965. Then we moved to Edson.
As I write this story and look at the family picture taken back on the old homestead, it brings back lots of happy memories of those wonderful years we spent growing up on the farm at Carrot Creek.Alberta Genealogical Society Master Name Index
Suter, Ada Louise 1888 - 13 April 1957 Glenwood, Edson
Suter, Audrey L. 1933 - 03 Feb 1972 Darwell
Suter, Elsie 1918 - 16 May 1995 Glenwood, Edson
Suter, Florence Lynne - 12 Jan 1948 Edmonton 7th Ave, Edmonton [any connection?]
Suter, George W. - 25 Feb 1933 Edmonton 7th Ave, Edmonton [any connection?]
Suter, Laura - 17 April 1923 Edmonton 7th Ave, Edmonton [any connection?]
Suter, Lawrence April 1933 - May 1953 Darwell County Cemetery, Sangudo
Suter, Walter J. 1879 - 24 March 1952 Glenwood, Edson
Suter, William 1879 - int 21 may 1954 Mount Pleasant, Edmonton [any connection?]
Suter, Winnifred Mae 1896 - 11 Feb 1974 Mount Pleasant, Edmonton [any connection?]
Pearce, May 1923 - 1994 Westlawn, Edmonton
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McPhee, Harold George 1907 - int 09 Jan 1957 Glenwood, Edson
Her death date is from her death certificate. Elsewhere says d. 9 April 1957
WALTER AND ADA (ING) SUTER
Walter James Suter was born in England on December 1st 1878. He was the second child of William and Sarah (Fenton) Suter. The family had a bakery and he delivered the bread. He immigrated to Canada [1906] and married Ada Louise Ing on the 9th of April 1910. Ada was the daughter of Thomas and Martha (Forsbury) Ing. She was born in London, England on the 29th of February 1888 and came to Canada about 1909 [1907]. [years given by Violet Weinhardt]
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They had eleven children: Walter James Suter jr, Ada Louise Suter jr, Violet Suter, Robert Suter, Edward Suter, Herbert Suter, Charles Suter, May Suter, Ethel Suter, Gordon Suter and Donald Suter.
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The Suter family farmed in Alberta and Walter worked for the railroad. For many years they lived at Carrot Creek, Alberta (near Edson). Ada's mother, Martha Ing lived with them for several years.
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Walter died on the 19th of March 1952. Ada died on the 10th of April 1957. Both are buried at Edson, Alberta.Ada moved to Edson ion 1948 because of ill health. Walter remained on the farm until his death in 1952.
This is her in the 1901 census:
Ada Ings 13 London Paddington London PaddingtonFreeBMD
Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
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Births Mar 1867 Ing William Robert Marylebone 1a 535
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Births Dec 1872 Ing James Alfred Kensington 1a 36
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Births Mar 1875 ING Jane Marylebone 1a 617
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Births Jun 1877 Ing Frederick John Marylebone 1a 575
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Births Sep 1879 Ing Henry Charles Marylebone 1a 598
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Births Dec 1881 Ing Richard Samuel Marylebone 1a 608
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Births Jun 1884 Ing Marion Marylebone 1a 618
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Births Jun 1888 ING Ada Louisa Paddington 1a 3
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Thomas not yet listed
Emily not yet listed.
Teddy never married.
He served in WWII.